Season 3 Wrap Up


TNotP Season 3 Show Notes

Episode 68: Season 3 Wrap-Up

Jon’s Top 5 Episodes:

5) War Without End

4) And the Rock Cried OUt, No Hiding Place

3) Passing Through Gethsemane

2) Severed Dreams

1) Z’ha’dum

Chris’s Top 5 Episodes:

5) Z’ha’dum

4) Interludes & Examinations

3) Passing Through Gethsemane

2) Severed Dreams

1) Point of No Return

Jon’s Bottom 3 Episodes:

3) Grey 17 Is Missing

2) Exogenesis

1) A Late Delivery from Avalon

Chris’s Bottom 3 Episodes:

3) A Late Delivery from Avalon

2) Exogenesis

1) Voices of Authority

Princess Allura was apparently a the pilot of the Blue Lion on Voltron: Defender of the Universe, which Chris hasn’t thought about in more than 30 years. Thanks, brain! (Brain? Brain? What is brain?)

Any fans wishing to show us their appreciation:

Shadow Dancing


Episode 66: Shadow Dancing (Season 3, Episode 21)

In which Dr Franklin’s walkabout comes to an abrupt end and a major battle is fought against the Shadow fleet.

Crunchy Wheat! Nicely Sweet!

Raw vfx shots from B5 season 3:

Moar ship porn. Rocket Science vfx for The Expanse (probably some spoilers):

Heat Miser and Snow Miser:

Martin Stein’s death from Legends of Tomorrow

Oliver and Diggle have it out on Arrow:

Actresses who have played Catwoman, in order:

Does not include voice actors from animated features or Maggie Baird, who played Selena in the Birds of Prey tv series YES I WENT THERE!

And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place


Episode 65: And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place (Season 3, Episode 20)

Synopsis: In which Sheridan and Delenn analyze the patterns behind the Shadows’ attacks and Londo moves against an enemy to gain power in the Centauri court.

Francois Giroday, who portrayed Minister Virini

How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?

A Clockwork Orange and “Singing in the Rain”

Necross the (Ha Ha Ha) Mad -  I had to dig into my comics collection and take a pic of this page, it’s such a deep cut I couldn’t even find it on the internet anywhere.

The doctor from “The Cage” was Dr. Boyce  The actor, John Hoyt, was in the film “The Conqueror,” in which John Wayne plays Genghis Khan (woof! Not even going there!). Ninety of the film’s 200 cast/crew members contracted cancer afterward. And we thought B5 was cursed!

Grey 17 Is Missing


Episode 64: Grey 17 Is Missing (Season 3, Episode 19)

Synopsis: In which Garibaldi hunts down a mystery, and Delenn faces a challenge to her leadership of the Rangers.

1990s Doomsday cults? I’m stayin’!

Branch Dividians

Aum Shinrikyo

Heaven’s Gate - Tragic, and maybe our “favorite” UFO cult

Order of the Solar Temple

Max the Cat shows up at about 13:30.

Duns Scotus, 13th century theologian and hair splitter quo maxime:

Eruv -

War Without End


Episode 63: War Without End (Season 3, Episodes 16 & 17)

Synopsis: In which Jeffrey Sinclair returns and the fate of Babylon 4 is revealed.

Do I need to lnk about Lucy and Ethel?

Creature Double Feature was a Saturday afternoon staple for those of us growing up in the Boston area in the 70s:

Summaries of JMS’s intended original plan, where we can see what the show might have looked like had Michael O’Hare stuck around and get Sinclair all the way through, including the spin-off show Babylon Prime. Interesting stuff here, but lots of spoilers if this is your first time through the show. Bringing B4 forward to be the new station in the spinoff is similar to what Jon has discussed with a sequel show to B5, set 1000 years down the road.

Max the Cat makes a brief appearance at about 10:45. I know you’ve all been wondering what was up with him.

Seriously, you do not want to get Chris started on the history of the Legion of Super Heroes, particularly in the post-Crisis/pre-Zero Hour era.

The film Predestination is an adaptation of the story “All You Zombies” by Robert Heinlein and is the most brain breaking time travel I’ve encountered yet.

Looper is up there in the running though.

Star Trek’s “Tomorrow is Yesterday” is a great episode, setting aside maybe the bit about the ship’s computer being reprogrammed to be more “feminine.”

DS9’s “Past Tense”,_Part_I_(episode)

Star Trek: Discovery’s “Calypso” Chris is probably wrong here, I can’t find any evidence that Aldis Hodge’s character is actually joining the regular show, sadly.

Legends of Tomorrow is the most bonkers show on television.

El Ministerio del Tiempo

Travelers season 3 drops in March 2019. Yay!

Dark season 2 is currently in production

San Dimas High School Football Rules!!

12 Monkeys - the film, not the series, is also a great time travel mind bender:

Time After Time:

And Somewhere in Time:

TNG’s “Parallels” featuring Riker with an even more glorious beard than usual

Credo, the board game of the Council of Nicea. Complete Jon and Chris-bait.

Aleph Mattresses. Not our sponsor...yet.

World of Warcraft’s Draenei:



Episode 62: Walkabout (Season 3, Episode 18)

Synopsis: Dr. Franklin tries to find himself, Sheridan tests the Shadows’ weakness, and we meet the new Kosh.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God:

Four hundred Vulcans cried out...and were suddenly silenced.

The Vorlon Ulkesh appeared in the novel

Jeffrey Willerth was the performer in the Kosh suit(s)

He seems to have been primarily a producer (and an Associate to Producer on B5) more than an actor/puppeteer, which makes the subtlety of his performance even more noteworthy.

Let the record show that I (Chris) did not buy into a new miniatures game while in California.

Three cheers for John Mundy!



Erica Gimpel:

JMS apparently does have a text on Foundationism. I’d love to get a look at that.

JMS on religion in science fiction:

Interludes and Examinations


Episode 61: Interludes and Examinations (Season 3, Episode 15)

Synopsis: In which Captain Sheridan convinces Kosh to take a more active role in the war, and Mr Morden returns.

“The Back Nine” is a golf reference. Somehow I (Chris) always thought it was referring to the last nine acres of farmland you had left to plow. See the things you learn listening to podcasts, kids?

The Gaim’s helmet resembles the helmet worn by Morpheus, Lord of Dreams in Neil Gaiman's Sandman

The Baader-Meinhof Group and Baader Meinhoff phenomenon (aka frequency illusion)

The Symbionese Liberation Army (“Symbionese” referring to symbiosis)

Canadian plan for preemptory US invasion in 1921

Homer Simpson’s spirit guide was a coyote voiced by Johnny Cash. But Chris was conflating that with Homer’s guardian angel, who appeared to him in a form of Colonel Klink.


Ship of Tears


Episode 60: Ship of Tears (Season 3, Episode 14)

Synopsis: In which Bester seeks Sheridan’s help in stopping the Shadows and G’Kar is brought into the conspiracy.

What We Left Behind - the Deep Space 9 retrospective documentary

"Third Person: Authoring and Exploring Vast Narratives” by Pat Harrigan

"Henry Gale" from Lost - his real name was Ben Linus (portrayed by Michael Emerson Good lord I hated him.

"Brain, brain, what is brain?" Jon dropped some Spock's Brain on us and I didn't catch it. Not sure who is the more shameful in this situation.

Screen Memories -

There are many different types of possible subspecies of Grey aliens

A Late Delivery From Avalon


Episode 58: A Late Delivery from Avalon (Season 3, Episode 13)

Synopsis: In which a man claiming to be Arthur, King of the Britons, arrives on Babylon 5

Note: This episode was intended to go after “Sic Transit Vir,” which we will examine next week.

There are a lot of Monty Python and the Holy Grail references here, I’m not going to link them all. Same for the references to Arthurian lore and historical study.

I will however strongly recommend the “Arthur Dies at the End” series of retellings of Mallory’s “Le Mort de Arthur” by my (Chris) friend Jeffrey Wikstrom. Very funny and irreverent.

Do not get Chris started on stirrups in the movie Gladiator.

The “Camelot 3000: comics series:

MASH’s finale, “Farewell, Amen and Amen”,_Farewell_and_Amen

Logan’s Run

The postal worker was portrayed by Michael Fagan. I was confused because he’s listed with a name in the credits, “Emmet Farquaha,” but I don’t think the name was ever spoken in the episode.

Attentive listeners may recall that the film Apollo 13 was beat out for a Hugo award in 1996 by the Babylon 5 season 2 episode “The Coming of Shadows.” JMS was certainly aware of the film.

The board game “This War of Mine” is a harrowing experience. Cannot recommend it enough.

Shoeless Joe:

Ceremonies of Light and Dark


Episode 57: Ceremonies of Light and Dark (Season 3, Episode 11)

Synopsis: In which the dust settles from the past few episodes and everyone gets spiffy new uniforms!

Domo Arigato

Halfway there:

Suebi and Etruscans and Greeks, oh my!

In Our Time - the best history/science/culture/everything podcast out there:

“People with terrible ideas often think they’re going to work.” -

The Dollop podcast

Don Stroud:

“Tomorrow is Yesterday” is the classic Star Trek episode where the computer keeps referring to Kirk as “dear.”

“Are we the baddies?”

Buck Rogers uniform:

An aside, but Gil Gerard (Buck) and Felix Silla (Twiki) are still friends and hang out. That feels nice.

And in conclusion YOGA PANTS ARE NOT PANTS. Come at me, haters!

Severed Dreams

Episode 56: Severed Dreams (Season 3, Episode 10)

Synopsis: In which everything hits the fan.

Other Hugo nominees in 1997 for “Best Dramatic Presentation” were Star Trek: First Contact, DS9 “Trials and Tribble-ations,” Mars Attacks and Independence Day.

Max was particularly vocal this episode. Enjoy his dulcet tones.

Robert Foxworth’s treason is discussed by JMS in length on the Lurker’s Guide page, linked above.

Point of No Return

Episode 55: Point of No Return (Season 3, Episode 9)

Synopsis: In which the crisis with the Nightwatch comes to a head and Londo and Vir learn their destinies.

The legendary Majel Barrett:

Before her death, Majel Barrett’s voice was recorded phonetically so it is still possible we may get her voice for our phones!

Star Trek Continues:

Emmanuel Goldstein and the Two Minutes of Hate:

Messages from Earth


Episode 54: Messages from Earth (Season 3, Episode 8)

Synopsis: In which Sheridan must take drastic action to keep President Clark from obtaining a shadow ship, and the Nightwatch steps up their operation on the station.

Stove Top? I’M STAYING!

The Ultra Menace Missile!

The Shobijin from Godzilla vs Mothra:

Night Boat! The Crime Solving boat!

The Reflex Gun! Another Star Blazers reference!

Lyanna Mormont, baddest badass in the Seven Kingdoms. It is known.


Episode 53: Exogenesis (Season 3, Episode 7)

Synopsis: In which a creepy bug/parasite thing appears to be possessing people and Ivanova tests Corwin’s loyalty.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge was interrupted while writing Kulba Khan by “the stranger from Porlock”

Which led to Rush’s “Xanadu,” possibly my (Chris) favorite of their songs. If you’ve never heard it, can tolerate prog rock, and have eleven-odd minutes to spare check it out. I’ll be over here rocking out hard:

Aubrey Morris, this episode’s Duncan, appears as the Roman emperor in this episode of The Prisoner - “The Dance of the Dead.” Once you’ve watched that Rush video spend 40 minutes checking this out too.

Fantasy recasting of Marcus:

Chris - David Tennant:

Jon - Richie Campbell:

Here’s our first pass at the prestige 10 episode breakdown for season 2. Much of this didn’t survive contact with the discussion we have in this episode but it was a starting point.

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The zones of total exclusion thing came from the French Zone Rouge, an area of France entirely incapable of supporting life because of damage from World War 1. Details:

And of course there’s a TV Tropes page as well (because of course there is).

Dust to Dust

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Jon’s outline for prestige season 1:


A   Narn-Centauri War (Midnight)

B   Ivanova's Family (Purple)


A   G'kar Black Rose / Londo assassin (Purple / Parliament)

B   Sinclair and Sakai (Parliament)


A   Religion Festival (Parliament)

B   Garibaldi and Mars (Lianna) (Survivors)


A   Deathwalker (Deathwalker)

B   Franklin and the Children of Time (Believers)


A   Sigma 957 (Parliament)

B   Talia and Kosh (Deathwalker)


A   Morden (Signs)

B   Sinclair kidnapped (Sky)


A   Babylon 4 (BB)

B   Ivanova and Koslov (TKO)


A   Epsilon 3 / Draal, pt. 1 (Voice1)

B   Garibaldi and Mars, election of Santiago (Voice1)


A   Epsilon 3 / Draal, pt. 2 (Voice2)

B   Sinclair and Earthforce (Voice2)

10 = Chrysalis, as filmed

Jason Morningstar - Fiasco is really a terrific game!

Jon & Tracy’s excellent podcast on gaming and education, Game Level Learn:

Voices of Authority

Episode 51: Voices of Authority (Season 3, Episode 5)

Synopsis: In which Marcus and Ivanova search for allies in the war against the Shadows, and the Clark administration attempts to tighten its grip on the station.


The Seraphs’ ship from the 1978 Battlestar Galactica:


Balok from Star Trek’s “The Corbormite Maneuver”



Marie Crane, the candidate who lost to incumbent Luis Santiago in the 2258 election:


Shari Shattuck:

.38 Special’s “Caught Up In You”

A Day In The Strife


Synopsis: In which G’Kar must make difficult decisions regarding the resistance on the homeworld and an alien probe makes a generous offer.


Vidkun Quisling, head of the Norwegian government during Nazi occupation


Cixin Liu’s “The Dark Forest”


And believe not or not, there’s a good explanation of the “chain of suspicion” to be found on Quora:


The Culture:


The possible dangers of the METI project:


Stephen Macht: