Whatever Happened To Mr Garibaldi?


Episode 70: Whatever Happened to Mr Garibaldi? (Season 4, Episode 2)

Synopsis: In which G’Kar falls into the hands of the Centauri and Captain Sheridan lingers between life and death.



It’s possible that the title of this episode is a nod to Alan Moore’s classic “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Whatever_Happened_to_the_Man_of_Tomorrow%3F

Cats in sci-fi (includes movies which we weren’t examining, or Jonesy would definitely have been #1): https://www.geek.com/culture/the-12-best-cats-in-sci-fi-history-1693091/

As always, I flubbed the Tears in Rain reference: “I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

Lord Baltar’s robotic assistant was, of course, Lucifer. Bit on the nose there, Larson. https://en.battlestarwikiclone.org/wiki/Lucifer

The Hour of the Wolf


Episode 69: The Hour of the Wolf (Season 4, Episode 1)

Synopsis: In which everyone must come to terms with the loss of Captain Sheridan, and Londo is recalled to the Centauri Imperial court.



February 2015 in New England. Thankfully we don’t have anything like that this year.

Season 3 Wrap Up


TNotP Season 3 Show Notes

Episode 68: Season 3 Wrap-Up

Jon’s Top 5 Episodes:

5) War Without End

4) And the Rock Cried OUt, No Hiding Place

3) Passing Through Gethsemane

2) Severed Dreams

1) Z’ha’dum

Chris’s Top 5 Episodes:

5) Z’ha’dum

4) Interludes & Examinations

3) Passing Through Gethsemane

2) Severed Dreams

1) Point of No Return

Jon’s Bottom 3 Episodes:

3) Grey 17 Is Missing

2) Exogenesis

1) A Late Delivery from Avalon

Chris’s Bottom 3 Episodes:

3) A Late Delivery from Avalon

2) Exogenesis

1) Voices of Authority

Princess Allura was apparently a the pilot of the Blue Lion on Voltron: Defender of the Universe, which Chris hasn’t thought about in more than 30 years. Thanks, brain! (Brain? Brain? What is brain?)

Any fans wishing to show us their appreciation: https://www.amazon.com/MPC-Space-1999-Eagle-Transporter/dp/B01A7TPCNS

Shadow Dancing


Episode 66: Shadow Dancing (Season 3, Episode 21)

In which Dr Franklin’s walkabout comes to an abrupt end and a major battle is fought against the Shadow fleet.



Crunchy Wheat! Nicely Sweet! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0e16Y9a9sE

Raw vfx shots from B5 season 3: https://vimeo.com/304310640/description?fbclid=IwAR3RPYEGVZ-YIn9aJjEwIjmvskiRoyknZMY-wffxaavOIifk6VxdHgS0ZA4

Moar ship porn. Rocket Science vfx for The Expanse (probably some spoilers): https://vimeo.com/300307277?cjevent=6e358e48fcdd11e8805b006f0a240614

Heat Miser and Snow Miser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SGlPnA_iCk

Martin Stein’s death from Legends of Tomorrow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cmj4A_jLx8

Oliver and Diggle have it out on Arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCHs5QHV-WA

Actresses who have played Catwoman, in order: https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/24031780/image/24031787/Julie-Newmar

Does not include voice actors from animated features or Maggie Baird, who played Selena in the Birds of Prey tv series YES I WENT THERE!

And The Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place


Episode 65: And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place (Season 3, Episode 20)

Synopsis: In which Sheridan and Delenn analyze the patterns behind the Shadows’ attacks and Londo moves against an enemy to gain power in the Centauri court.



Francois Giroday, who portrayed Minister Virini https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0320931/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t16

How many licks does it take to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvFzOgK-V9E

A Clockwork Orange and “Singing in the Rain” http://moviemezzanine.com/inglorious-bastard-the-horror-of-singin-in-the-rain-and-a-clockwork-orange/

Necross the (Ha Ha Ha) Mad -  I had to dig into my comics collection and take a pic of this page, it’s such a deep cut I couldn’t even find it on the internet anywhere.

The doctor from “The Cage” was Dr. Boyce http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Philip_Boyce  The actor, John Hoyt, was in the film “The Conqueror,” in which John Wayne plays Genghis Khan (woof! Not even going there!). Ninety of the film’s 200 cast/crew members contracted cancer afterward. And we thought B5 was cursed!

Grey 17 Is Missing


Episode 64: Grey 17 Is Missing (Season 3, Episode 19)

Synopsis: In which Garibaldi hunts down a mystery, and Delenn faces a challenge to her leadership of the Rangers.



1990s Doomsday cults? I’m stayin’!

Branch Dividians  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidians

Aum Shinrikyo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

Heaven’s Gate - Tragic, and maybe our “favorite” UFO cult https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)

Order of the Solar Temple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

Max the Cat shows up at about 13:30.

Duns Scotus, 13th century theologian and hair splitter quo maxime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duns_Scotus

Eruv - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv

War Without End


Episode 63: War Without End (Season 3, Episodes 16 & 17)

Synopsis: In which Jeffrey Sinclair returns and the fate of Babylon 4 is revealed.





Do I need to lnk about Lucy and Ethel? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Lucy

Creature Double Feature was a Saturday afternoon staple for those of us growing up in the Boston area in the 70s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m--ayWTBWi0

Summaries of JMS’s intended original plan, where we can see what the show might have looked like had Michael O’Hare stuck around and get Sinclair all the way through, including the spin-off show Babylon Prime. Interesting stuff here, but lots of spoilers if this is your first time through the show. Bringing B4 forward to be the new station in the spinoff is similar to what Jon has discussed with a sequel show to B5, set 1000 years down the road.



Max the Cat makes a brief appearance at about 10:45. I know you’ve all been wondering what was up with him.

Seriously, you do not want to get Chris started on the history of the Legion of Super Heroes, particularly in the post-Crisis/pre-Zero Hour era.

The film Predestination is an adaptation of the story “All You Zombies” by Robert Heinlein and is the most brain breaking time travel I’ve encountered yet.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(film)

Looper is up there in the running though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looper_(film)

Star Trek’s “Tomorrow is Yesterday” is a great episode, setting aside maybe the bit about the ship’s computer being reprogrammed to be more “feminine.” http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tomorrow_is_Yesterday_(episode)

DS9’s “Past Tense” http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Past_Tense,_Part_I_(episode)

Star Trek: Discovery’s “Calypso” https://io9.gizmodo.com/short-treks-dives-far-into-the-future-of-star-trek-with-1830339940 Chris is probably wrong here, I can’t find any evidence that Aldis Hodge’s character is actually joining the regular show, sadly.

Legends of Tomorrow is the most bonkers show on television.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRZJgA_IqM

El Ministerio del Tiempo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ministerio_del_Tiempo

Travelers season 3 drops in March 2019. Yay! https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/travelers/271433/travelers-season-3-release-date-news-and-more

Dark season 2 is currently in production http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/dark/news/a860226/dark-season-2-opening-scene-filming-starts/

San Dimas High School Football Rules!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Ted#Bill_&_Ted_Face_the_Music_(2020)

12 Monkeys - the film, not the series, is also a great time travel mind bender: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15s4Y9ffW_o

Time After Time: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080025/?ref_=nv_sr_1

And Somewhere in Time: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081534/?ref_=nv_sr_2

TNG’s “Parallels” featuring Riker with an even more glorious beard than usual http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Parallels_(episode)

Credo, the board game of the Council of Nicea. Complete Jon and Chris-bait. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1304/credo-game-dueling-dogmas

Aleph Mattresses. Not our sponsor...yet. https://trustaleph.com/

World of Warcraft’s Draenei: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Draenei



Episode 62: Walkabout (Season 3, Episode 18)

Synopsis: Dr. Franklin tries to find himself, Sheridan tests the Shadows’ weakness, and we meet the new Kosh.



Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinners_in_the_Hands_of_an_Angry_God

Four hundred Vulcans cried out...and were suddenly silenced. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Immunity_Syndrome_(episode)

The Vorlon Ulkesh appeared in the novel https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/To_Dream_in_the_City_of_Sorrows

Jeffrey Willerth was the performer in the Kosh suit(s) https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0929790/

He seems to have been primarily a producer (and an Associate to Producer on B5) more than an actor/puppeteer, which makes the subtlety of his performance even more noteworthy.

Let the record show that I (Chris) did not buy into a new miniatures game while in California.

Three cheers for John Mundy!

Foundationism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundationism

Cleverman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleverman

Erica Gimpel: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0319826/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t12

JMS apparently does have a text on Foundationism. I’d love to get a look at that.

JMS on religion in science fiction: https://techtv.mit.edu/videos/3608-j-michael-straczynski-on-themes-of-religion-in-science-fiction

Interludes and Examinations


Episode 61: Interludes and Examinations (Season 3, Episode 15)

Synopsis: In which Captain Sheridan convinces Kosh to take a more active role in the war, and Mr Morden returns.

“The Back Nine” is a golf reference. Somehow I (Chris) always thought it was referring to the last nine acres of farmland you had left to plow. See the things you learn listening to podcasts, kids?

The Gaim’s helmet resembles the helmet worn by Morpheus, Lord of Dreams in Neil Gaiman's Sandman

The Baader-Meinhof Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction and Baader Meinhoff phenomenon (aka frequency illusion) https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/baader-meinhof-phenomenon.htm

The Symbionese Liberation Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army (“Symbionese” referring to symbiosis)

Canadian plan for preemptory US invasion in 1921 https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/in-1921-canada-developed-a-secret-plan-to-invade-the-us

Homer Simpson’s spirit guide was a coyote voiced by Johnny Cash. But Chris was conflating that with Homer’s guardian angel, who appeared to him in a form of Colonel Klink. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM28sWT2pvU

SUGAR. DIRT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7flH9oUcg

Ship of Tears


Episode 60: Ship of Tears (Season 3, Episode 14)

Synopsis: In which Bester seeks Sheridan’s help in stopping the Shadows and G’Kar is brought into the conspiracy.



What We Left Behind - the Deep Space 9 retrospective documentary https://ds9documentary.com/

"Third Person: Authoring and Exploring Vast Narratives” by Pat Harrigan https://www.amazon.com/Third-Person-Authoring-Exploring-Narratives/dp/0262533790/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1541628420&sr=8-2&keywords=third+person

"Henry Gale" from Lost - his real name was Ben Linus (portrayed by Michael Emerson https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0256237/?ref_=nv_sr_1) Good lord I hated him.

"Brain, brain, what is brain?" Jon dropped some Spock's Brain on us and I didn't catch it. Not sure who is the more shameful in this situation.

Screen Memories - https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/01/the-messengers-ufos-owls-and-synchronicity/

There are many different types of possible subspecies of Grey aliens


A Late Delivery From Avalon


Episode 58: A Late Delivery from Avalon (Season 3, Episode 13)

Synopsis: In which a man claiming to be Arthur, King of the Britons, arrives on Babylon 5



Note: This episode was intended to go after “Sic Transit Vir,” which we will examine next week.

There are a lot of Monty Python and the Holy Grail references here, I’m not going to link them all. Same for the references to Arthurian lore and historical study.

I will however strongly recommend the “Arthur Dies at the End” series of retellings of Mallory’s “Le Mort de Arthur” by my (Chris) friend Jeffrey Wikstrom. Very funny and irreverent. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LAKWHH8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Do not get Chris started on stirrups in the movie Gladiator.

The “Camelot 3000: comics series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot_3000

MASH’s finale, “Farewell, Amen and Amen” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye,_Farewell_and_Amen

Logan’s Run https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_(film)

The postal worker was portrayed by Michael Fagan. I was confused because he’s listed with a name in the credits, “Emmet Farquaha,” but I don’t think the name was ever spoken in the episode.

Attentive listeners may recall that the film Apollo 13 was beat out for a Hugo award in 1996 by the Babylon 5 season 2 episode “The Coming of Shadows.” JMS was certainly aware of the film.

The board game “This War of Mine” is a harrowing experience. Cannot recommend it enough. https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/188920/war-mine-board-game

Shoeless Joe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeless_Joe_Jackson

Ceremonies of Light and Dark


Episode 57: Ceremonies of Light and Dark (Season 3, Episode 11)

Synopsis: In which the dust settles from the past few episodes and everyone gets spiffy new uniforms!



Domo Arigato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc6f_2nPSX8

Halfway there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk

Suebi and Etruscans and Greeks, oh my! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship

In Our Time - the best history/science/culture/everything podcast out there: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl/episodes/player

“People with terrible ideas often think they’re going to work.” - https://www.ilinxilinx.com/nameofthepod/

The Dollop podcast https://www.dolloppodcast.com/

Don Stroud: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0835144/?ref_=tt_cl_t13

“Tomorrow is Yesterday” is the classic Star Trek episode where the computer keeps referring to Kirk as “dear.” http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tomorrow_is_Yesterday_(episode)

“Are we the baddies?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

Buck Rogers uniform:

An aside, but Gil Gerard (Buck) and Felix Silla (Twiki) are still friends and hang out. That feels nice.


And in conclusion YOGA PANTS ARE NOT PANTS. Come at me, haters!

Severed Dreams

Episode 56: Severed Dreams (Season 3, Episode 10)

Synopsis: In which everything hits the fan.



Other Hugo nominees in 1997 for “Best Dramatic Presentation” were Star Trek: First Contact, DS9 “Trials and Tribble-ations,” Mars Attacks and Independence Day.

Max was particularly vocal this episode. Enjoy his dulcet tones.

Robert Foxworth’s treason is discussed by JMS in length on the Lurker’s Guide page, linked above.

Point of No Return

Episode 55: Point of No Return (Season 3, Episode 9)

Synopsis: In which the crisis with the Nightwatch comes to a head and Londo and Vir learn their destinies.



The legendary Majel Barrett: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000854/?ref_=tt_cl_t12

Before her death, Majel Barrett’s voice was recorded phonetically so it is still possible we may get her voice for our phones! https://news.avclub.com/the-late-majel-barrett-might-still-voice-the-computer-o-1798251733

Star Trek Continues: https://www.youtube.com/user/StarTrekContinues

Emmanuel Goldstein and the Two Minutes of Hate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk

Messages from Earth


Episode 54: Messages from Earth (Season 3, Episode 8)

Synopsis: In which Sheridan must take drastic action to keep President Clark from obtaining a shadow ship, and the Nightwatch steps up their operation on the station.



Stove Top? I’M STAYING! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T1dvaEY9CQ

The Ultra Menace Missile! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZAuNqHSEQk

The Shobijin from Godzilla vs Mothra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stavnP7kcGU

Night Boat! The Crime Solving boat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoV1-fsFCmw

The Reflex Gun! Another Star Blazers reference! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAA3bLM3IGA

Lyanna Mormont, baddest badass in the Seven Kingdoms. It is known. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Lyanna_Mormont


Episode 53: Exogenesis (Season 3, Episode 7)

Synopsis: In which a creepy bug/parasite thing appears to be possessing people and Ivanova tests Corwin’s loyalty.



Samuel Taylor Coleridge was interrupted while writing Kulba Khan by “the stranger from Porlock” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_from_Porlock

Which led to Rush’s “Xanadu,” possibly my (Chris) favorite of their songs. If you’ve never heard it, can tolerate prog rock, and have eleven-odd minutes to spare check it out. I’ll be over here rocking out hard:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEuOoMprDqg

Aubrey Morris, this episode’s Duncan, appears as the Roman emperor in this episode of The Prisoner - “The Dance of the Dead.” Once you’ve watched that Rush video spend 40 minutes checking this out too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaCVzUy3KP4

Fantasy recasting of Marcus:

Chris - David Tennant: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0855039/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Jon - Richie Campbell: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1951953/?ref_=tt_cl_t2

Here’s our first pass at the prestige 10 episode breakdown for season 2. Much of this didn’t survive contact with the discussion we have in this episode but it was a starting point.

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The zones of total exclusion thing came from the French Zone Rouge, an area of France entirely incapable of supporting life because of damage from World War 1. Details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_Rouge

And of course there’s a TV Tropes page as well (because of course there is). https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ForbiddenZone

Dust to Dust

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Jon’s outline for prestige season 1:


A   Narn-Centauri War (Midnight)

B   Ivanova's Family (Purple)


A   G'kar Black Rose / Londo assassin (Purple / Parliament)

B   Sinclair and Sakai (Parliament)


A   Religion Festival (Parliament)

B   Garibaldi and Mars (Lianna) (Survivors)


A   Deathwalker (Deathwalker)

B   Franklin and the Children of Time (Believers)


A   Sigma 957 (Parliament)

B   Talia and Kosh (Deathwalker)


A   Morden (Signs)

B   Sinclair kidnapped (Sky)


A   Babylon 4 (BB)

B   Ivanova and Koslov (TKO)


A   Epsilon 3 / Draal, pt. 1 (Voice1)

B   Garibaldi and Mars, election of Santiago (Voice1)


A   Epsilon 3 / Draal, pt. 2 (Voice2)

B   Sinclair and Earthforce (Voice2)

10 = Chrysalis, as filmed

Jason Morningstar - Fiasco is really a terrific game! http://bullypulpitgames.com/about/jason/

Jon & Tracy’s excellent podcast on gaming and education, Game Level Learn: http://www.gamelevellearn.com/podcast/

Voices of Authority

Episode 51: Voices of Authority (Season 3, Episode 5)

Synopsis: In which Marcus and Ivanova search for allies in the war against the Shadows, and the Clark administration attempts to tighten its grip on the station.





The Seraphs’ ship from the 1978 Battlestar Galactica: https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Seraphs_(Battlestar_Galactica)


Balok from Star Trek’s “The Corbormite Maneuver” http://www.startrek.com/database_article/balok



Marie Crane, the candidate who lost to incumbent Luis Santiago in the 2258 election: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Marie_Crane


Shari Shattuck: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0789449/?ref_=tt_cl_t13

.38 Special’s “Caught Up In You” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg21Rkew874